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Biden, Ryan Go Toe-to-Toe in Debate: RI Insiders Pick Winner

Vice President candidates Joe Biden and Paul Ryan squared off in the VP debate on Thursday, Oct. 11, a week after presidential candidates Barack Obama and Mitt Romney had their first debate. Here's how Rhode Island Republicans and Democrats reacted

Both Rhode Island Republicans and Democrats who responded to our survey feel that their candidate walked away with just a slight victory over the other in last night's vice presidential debate.

Joe Biden and Paul Ryan faced off on Thursday, October 11th at Centre College in Danville, Kentucky, with ABC News' Martha Raddatz moderating the debate that covered both domestic and foreign policy.

At the conclusion of the debate, Patch surveyed 52 Republicans and 51 Democrats, asking who they thought won the debate. Sixty-two percent of the Republicans who responded said Ryan won by only a slight margin, while 23% said he won by a large margin. Only 15% were neutral.

When we asked the Democrats the same question 67% responded that Biden won the debate by a slim margin, while 33% thought Biden won the debate by a wide margin. 

Our next survey question asked both Democrats and Republicans who they thought the national media would declare the winner. One-hundred percent of the Democrats surveyed thought the media would declare Biden the winner by only a slim margin.

Forty-six percent of the Republicans who responded to our survey felt Paul Ryan would be declared the winner by only a slim margin as well. However 23% of the Republicans felt that Joe Biden would be declared the winner by the national media by only a slim margin. Thirty-one percent of the Republicans surveyed said they were neutral on this question.

Republicans who responded to our survey were not so confident that Paul Ryan's performance would help Mitt Romney get more votes in the Ocean State. When we asked that question only 31% strongly agreed that Ryan's performance would help get the Romney-Ryan ticket more votes in Rhode Island. Thirty-nine percent said they were neutral on whether Ryan's performance would help get more votes. The rest of the Republicans were split with 15% somewhat agreeing that Ryan helped the ticket last night, while the other 15% somewhat disagree that his performance would get more votes in Rhode Island.

When we turned to Democrats asking if Joe Biden's performance Thursday would help get President Obama more votes in Rhode Island, 100% only somewhat agreed that the Vice President's performance would help with votes.

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Our surveys are not a scientific random sample of any larger population but rather an effort to listen to a swatch of influential local Republican and Democratic activists, party leaders and elected officials in Rhode Island. All of these individuals have agreed to participate in surveys, although not all responded to this week's questions.

Patch will be conducting Red Rhody and Blue Rhody surveys throughout 2012 in hopes of determining the true sentiment of conservatives and liberals on the ground in Rhode Island. If you are an activist, party leader or elected official and would like to take part in our surveys that lasts just a few minutes, please email Rick Couto, Regional Editor at rick.couto@patch.com.

Blue Rhody Survey Roster: Frank Hyde, Ted Jendzejec, Scott Guthrie, Gary Cote, Jared Nunes, Patricia Serpa, Kathy Patenaude, Lisa Tomasso, June Speakman, Joy Hearn, Anthony Arico, Mary Gasbarro, Jeffrey Breener, James Sheehan, Raymond Gallison, Louis Dipalma, John Edwards, Michael Sepe, John Lanni, Richard Santamaria, Joseph DeLorenzo, Judi Liner, Candy Seel, Bruce Rogers, Robert DaSilva, Joseph Polisena Frank Lombardo, Jennifer Russo, Carol Costa, Arnie Vecchione, Charles Tsonas, Vimala Phongsavanh, Gregg Amore, Joel Monteiro, Michael Morin, David Barboza, Catherine Tattrie, Kenneth Marshall, Antonio Teixeira, Raymond Gallison, Jan Malik, Marc Dubois, Mark Schwager, Carolyn Mark, Deidre Gifford, Tom Plunkett, Eugene Quinn, Chrissy Rossi, Bud Cicilline, Caroline Stouffer, Lou Raptakis, Stephen Ucci

Red Rhody Survey Roster: Glenford Shibley, Nicholas Kettle, Carl Mattson, Keith Anderson, Patricia Morgan, john Robitaille, Christopher Ottiano, Jonathan Harris, Steve Primiano, Bill DeWitt, Geoff Grove, Scott Fuller, David bates, Carol Hueston, Jim McGuire, Mark Zaccaria, Joel Johnson, Doreen Costa, Elizabeth Dolan, Robert Carlin, Ronald Warr Jr., Jack Savage, John Ward, Dan Gendron, Halsey Herreshoff, Chris Stanley, Mark Smiley, Marina Peterson, Bryan Palumbo, Joseph Golembeski, Joe Procaccini, Blake Filippi, Eileen Grossman, Mike Stenhouse, Joseph Trillo, Gail Ricky, Dawson Hodgson, Chuck Newton, Michael Isaacs, Jeff Cianciolo, Carl Hoyer, Ted Czech, Joanne Mower, Luisa Abatecola, David Sullivan, Clark Smith, Liz Smith, Mark Gee, Brad Bishop, Peter Costa Jr., Bruce Saccoccio, Mike Chippendale

John ("Anything But Sue") October 14, 2012 at 12:14 AM
NAOME: Please try to get a good nights sleep. You clearly need it.
katherine October 14, 2012 at 12:36 AM
All the sites on the drudge report are listed in alphabetical order. Everything is on there including the New York Times and the huffington post. Anything you want to read is on the drudge report. One stop shopping.
Naome Lixes October 14, 2012 at 12:54 AM
It's an aggregator that lists bylines by relevance to the editorial policy. The top four today? Shot Fired Through Window at Obama Campaign Office in Denver... Will The Election Results Cause Riots? WIRE: Do black people support Obama because he's black? Presidency 'has not helped cause'... VIDEO: Dems joke they'll get enough votes to win -- even a couple of days late!
Naome Lixes October 14, 2012 at 12:57 AM
"NAOME: Please try to get a good nights sleep. You clearly need it." Why thank you, John. I do hope you have a nice bag of hammers to carry on a mutually satisfying discussion amongst equals.
Steve O October 14, 2012 at 12:59 AM
Not blocked! You added a period in front on mistake. http://www.drudgereport.com/
Leave RI October 14, 2012 at 01:12 AM
Welcome to Kent County Bryan
Leave RI October 14, 2012 at 01:18 AM
McMahon- I was answering a question that was posed with the money from Iraq. Then using vicarious liability as a way to to say the commander in chief is always responsible in all cases. You're welcome to add to the conversation but you missed 1/2 of it. Maybe next time somewhere else.
Bob Parr October 14, 2012 at 01:18 AM
Stop the Monsanto bill that allows the planting of GMOs even if a Federal Court rules against it - thus subverting the USDOJ. http://signon.org/s/PS66NF @signon
katherine October 14, 2012 at 01:58 AM
Good for you naome...you found the drudge report. Now if you can learn how to scroll down you will be all set. You can even scroll all the way down to your buddies at msnbc.
Good Year October 14, 2012 at 02:06 AM
Don't worry Naome, if Romney wins, the government will still take care of you.
Leave RI October 14, 2012 at 02:48 AM
katherine..I agree you use Drudge at your own discretion as you would Huffington..if you don't like something go somewhere else..at least Drudge won't have you looking for your free cheese and cell phone (sorry that was for my inside voice) ;/
Naome Lixes October 14, 2012 at 11:34 AM
"Don't worry Naome, if Romney wins, the government will still take care of you." I doubt that, considering my tax bracket and how my 401k was gutted by his (and Obama's) backers, I expect to carry my own weight, and yours. How many of you "boot strappers" are collecting government bennies? http://www.economist.com/node/21563725 It must horrify you to know that there are educated people who don't believe a word that comes out of Mitt Romney. I get my news from The Economist katie - presumption is the preface to becoming a prat. Get this straight, you clueless twit, there's a generational divide in this country that is being exploited by the money behind the scenes. You lot are fighting to keep an outsized share of that subsidy, my kids are footing your bills - some code of personal responsibility you practice, buttercup. Around here, your age contemporaries and Tea Party compatriots are actively undermining the only way today's kids can pay your bills - through education. Old people seem to be exempt from this requirement.
ccryder October 14, 2012 at 12:56 PM
statistics refers to the interpretation of data. we have analysts so lay people do not draw faulty conclusions. all variables must be considered. romney/ryan draw faulty conclusions and count on exploiting people like good year, margaret and leave ri to get votes. it is working. FYI: i am voting mostly republican in the local ga and senate races. i am not against republicans, but i am against taking data and drawing faulty conclusions in order to dupe the citizens.
Cranston Voter October 14, 2012 at 02:09 PM
Cranston Voter @ Ken Battle Never said I had the qualifications to be pres. but I do have a right to my opinion and free speech. That is unless president Obama decides to take it away from me by "Executive Order". You are getting desperate like many others as we count down to election day. Obama has proven that he will say or do anything even lie, to keep his tenancy in the White House. He and the 1st Lady must go to bed at night laughing at people thinking, how can we still be in this race after my dismal record on everything! Stay tuned for the next debate. The pressure is on and he has no teleprompter, no record to run on, and no plan to get us out of the mess we are in. He had his chance (to at least make a dent) in the problems he knew he was getting into when he took office. He not only hasn't made a dent, he has exacerbated the situation. "Fired Up, Ready to Go" yup straight into the toilet if he wins!
Margaret October 14, 2012 at 02:23 PM
""So which part was incorrect, ccryder?"" The original discussion you piped in on was referring to my views on the state of important issues to ME--my voting index card (electronic of course) the question to you from BP? was: The last budget passed was May of 2009. When Obama submitted his last budget, he received zero votes in the House and Senate... not even 1 vote from a Democrat. He has not come out with a plan to balance the budget, just to have it grow more slowly... yet we are already spending over a trillion dollars more than we take in. Gas Prices are up almost 100% http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx It does take until April 17th to pay your taxes for the year. http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/04/03/tax-freedom-day-april-17-wages/ Under 25 does equal 50% unemployment http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76395.html Going to run out of space here... but which "statistics" is she off on? Since you have "an advanced degree in statistics", you can tell us why she is off, right?
Margaret October 14, 2012 at 02:24 PM
your own keyword of course being "INTERPRETATION" "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics"--Mark Twain I think?
ccryder October 14, 2012 at 02:45 PM
margaret-you just proved my point. romney and ryan are interpreting the data, drawing false conclusions and people like you believe it......i am curious have you ever been paid to perform a technical analysis? google, copy and paste C'est la vie
Naome Lixes October 14, 2012 at 02:50 PM
You might consider reading commentary from other posters, Margaret. These concerns were raised, and addressed, above. The essence is that your presumption - Obama at the bottom of it all - is bogus. It makes sense that people want a tidy summation of all problems with a simple diagnostic test and a surgical solution. In a herd so large as the US Government, with so many influencing the outcome through campaign financing, the disease isn't localized, it's a parasitic infection. Treatment of something like this usually involves quarantine and culling the herd. I said it above, and will say it again, your rage has been misdirected by the same rustlers that stole into the paddock and poisoned the well. You're getting used.
Naome Lixes October 14, 2012 at 02:59 PM
"He and the 1st Lady must go to bed at night laughing at people thinking, how can we still be in this race after my dismal record on everything!" More likely, he goes to bed each night thinking, "At least we're not in Rhode Island." " Never said I had the qualifications to be pres. but I do have a right to my opinion and free speech." And we're within our rights to abuse cranks in public. "...no plan to get us out of the mess we are in. He had his chance (to at least make a dent) in the problems he knew he was getting into when he took office." Every meaningful piece of legislation proposed has gone down in committee. This has been at the direction of the Congressional GOP. Your own party has been at this since 1994 - traitorous, complicit and liable. http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/09/25/mitch_mcconnell_and_the_one_term_president.html
Margaret October 14, 2012 at 03:15 PM
@cc-you and naome insist on labeling my independent rational mind Bigger and better have tried I don't care who was currently residing on Penn Avenue This is not the proven record results I would rehire someone on I would at best offer him Press Sec position cc proves the rhody voting the purse locally but disregarding the gazillions thrown away by mandated policies in DC with the hopes of a trickle back We all know this state will always vote auto-DEM for Pres--you have no threat to Obummer here--I voted for him & then recognized the lack of skills & experience left him over his super optimistic head I have no need to threaten your job cc by performing tech analysis-thankfully I am quite fulfilled in my career lol how does c'est la vie apply as closing statement there? I am fluent in 4 languages if you'd like to find better term over-educated on paper only? O dear! who does that remind me of? FYI--naome--NO RAGE here whatsoever--just a vote which is mine alone to cast
Jim L October 14, 2012 at 03:24 PM
Was Joe Sousa's name added by the Patch?
Jim L October 14, 2012 at 03:29 PM
Yoo hoo BIGY Masnny I wrote the letter I signed the letter i sent the letter and as we both know Mr Katz had nothing to do with it, you guys are getting desperrate
Naome Lixes October 14, 2012 at 06:35 PM
"you have no threat to Obummer here--I voted for him & then recognized the lack of skills & experience left him over his super optimistic head..." What part of this does not sound like childish envy? "I have no need to threaten your job cc by performing tech analysis-thankfully I am quite fulfilled in my career..." That's the only beef in your swill Mags - you make outrageous claims that you can't back up. It's like trying to discuss architecture with a brick. "I am fluent in 4 languages if you'd like to find better term..." Is one of them English? There are taxicab drivers in NYC that speak a dozen - that doesn't qualify them to the sort of Obama bashing you seem to relish. Make a policy statement (for once) and back it up (with discrete facts). Do us a favor, come up with something original - Fox already has enough stations. "NO RAGE here whatsoever" My mistake, what sounds like righteous indignation to some is just ranting to others.
Naome Lixes October 14, 2012 at 06:36 PM
Jimmy - do you know where you are? Do you know all these people in your room? Do you remember where you live? Can someone come get you?
Leave RI October 14, 2012 at 08:41 PM
What happened here..from National (almost global) to State, and we're now in Petticoat Junction??..wait let me change the channel...nope still here
pam October 14, 2012 at 08:47 PM
Nah Nah are you still on here. Don't you have anything better to do? Is there anyone who wants to spend time with you?
Manifold Witness October 14, 2012 at 08:56 PM
Enough national politics. TIme to talk about something we can influence. Local politics. Did you hear the latest? How 'bout Sheldon Whitehouse & Jack Reed declaring that they are - guess what - going to ask the Feds (DeMarc) to write down some loans. Only - guess what - the Democrats in Congress already asked for that in April 2012 and - guess what - this HUGE study was done & they found out that's it's not really a good idea (see comments to the ProJo article). And so DeMarco said "No". But Sheldon & Jack apparently DON'T KNOW that they MISSED THE BOAT on all this! Or maybe they think we don't know & they're trying to fool us? Either way, it's doesn't look good for them to do this to us. See ProJo article entitlled, "RI Senator Whitehouse backs loan write-downs". http://news.providencejournal.com/business/2012/10/ri-sen-whitehouse-backs-loan-write-downs-poll.html?plckItemsPerPage=10&plckSort=TimeStampDescending&plckFindCommentKey=CommentKey:4112f8ba-eb15-48fe-ba3b-c07b4ead9d6e#pluck_comments_list
Leave RI October 14, 2012 at 08:56 PM
Okay 5 4 3 2 1 nobody home no reply..finishing the Pat's game and off to work tomorrow..be "back in RI" in a few weeks..maybe they'll be something new on the next episode of "The Guiding Patcher's"..Days of Our Patch?..
Chmn October 14, 2012 at 11:57 PM
Re: VP debates- My impression of the debates is that #1 I have seen better highschool debates. #2 Old Joe is either going mad, has beginning stages of "old timers", or is the new Sarah Palin. Just a heart beat away!
Lee October 23, 2012 at 11:16 PM
Dang Joe you must have really "rung Naome's bell", I think she is foaming at the mouth!

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